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SciFi.com Chat with Dr. John Mack

Admin · October 1, 2002 ·

An online text-based “live chat” with Dr. Mack hosted by the SciFi Channel’s website in 2002 during the promotion of the Steven Spielberg-produced mini-series “Taken”.

SCIFIMOD: Hi everyone, thanks for joining us here. I’m Ben Trumble for SCIFI. Tonight we’re pleased to welcome Dr. John E. Mack. Dr. John Mack is a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and a leading authority on the transformative and spiritual aspects of alien encounters.

SCIFIMOD: Dr. Mack is the author of Passport to the Cosmos: Human Transformation and Alien Encounters, the 1994 bestseller Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens, and a Pulitzer prizing winning biography of the British adventurer and soldier T. E. Lawrence.

SCIFIMOD: Brief word about the drill. This is a moderated chat — please send your questions for our guest to SCIFIMOD, as private messages. (To send a private message, either double-click on SCIFIMOD or type “/msg SCIFIMOD” on the command line – only without the quotes.)…Then hit Enter (or Return on a Mac.)

SCIFIMOD: Do you have an opinion on where aliens come from?

John Mack: The first task in addressing that question is moving away from literal thinking, “this star” or “that star”. They may come from another dimension. One shaman asked them where they’re from and they answered “Nowhere and Everywhere”. They might come from a star system. Who knows.

m6scott: Are abductions getting more frequent now or have they slowed down?

John Mack: It’s hard for me to answer. I have only my own cases and those I know about. I have a general impression the famous types of abductions of the late 90’s are happening less frequently. It’s more subtle. Beings that reach people. Balls of light, etc. It may be a mistake to use the term “abduction” rather than “encounter” for many such contacts. “Abduction” is what humans do to each other. But all sorts of encounters don’t literally involve physical movement that we know of.

SCIFIMOD: Any change in the way people are telling you about their abductions than say 10 years ago?

John Mack: That’s a very interesting question. Many people who talk to me are already pretty far along in their knowledge. They know what’s happened to them and they are very well informed. They’re trying to understand how to discuss it with family. How long it’s been going on etc. They are less likely to come in overwhelmed by the strangeness of it. One of the difficulties is a self selection. It’s a field now where abductees seem to seek out researchers who reflect their feelings about the experience. So I may have of different experiences than someone else would. I don’t know that they actually think in those terms. Hopkins looks at the experience this way. Mack looks at it that way. Barbara Lamb says this. But my sense is that the initial trauma seems less now.

deadgirl: How many people if any do you think have encounters but dismiss them because of their own disbelief?

John Mack: I would guess many. I see people who I may have been talking with for months who suddenly remember an encounter from years and years ago and they dismissed it. It’s when they have a later experience as a reference point that they begin to make the connection. Childhood experiences can be dismissed as dreams, etc.

choocha: How are your relations with the Harvard faculty after your “difficulties” surrounding your first book?

John Mack: I would say pretty good. I’m not retired but I’m past retirement age. And as I often say a Harvard Prof can only make a fool of himself once and I’m past that. I’ve become more sophisticated in how I frame my arguments. Also I believe that a shift has occurred in the culture in the world view. That phenomenon like this are not as marginalized as they were. The Spielberg miniseries coming up, TAKEN, couldn’t have happened ten years ago. There’s a greater awareness now. We don’t dismiss out of hand as quickly as we did.

ZO: Have you ever wondered if this implant technology is used to see through our eyes, hear through our ears, and to basically view everything that we do?

John Mack: I never really thought about that. The only thing that made much sense is the idea of tagging people to monitor them. The implant subject is one of the puzzling aspects of abduction that never quite satisfies hard science investigation. It always remains a bit out of reach. My sense is that we’re never going to pin all this down in 3 dimensional reality with the usual tools of science. I read an article about near death experience. The writer made the point that they only people trying to explain near death experience are researchers. The people who experience them don’t need explanation. They know how profound it was. The same may be true for encounter experience. It is what it is. If we don’t try to reduce it to our language we might appreciate and understand more than we realize. Maybe we know a lot when we just appreciate the interdimensional possibilities.

SCIFIMOD: Is the present alien abduction experience universal and worldwide? With a bit of digging can you find abductees as easily say in the Guatemalan Highlands as you can in New England?

John Mack: I don’t think it’s been studied enough to answer that. What I know is that we’ve seen cases in South America, Australia, Turkey, Africa. The cases seem to show up where people look for them. The core expereince seem similar whether in Africa, or Brazil, or New York. But how it’s interpreted varies between cultures. There are a whole pantheon of “aliens” and demons and other creatures in shamanistic cultures.

choocha: Do you feel movements such as the Disclosure Project or Coalition for the Freedom of Information will soon make any headway getting the public informed of certain realities — without the major media ignoring or discrediting the “nonsense” subject of ET reality?

John Mack: It’s already happening. The Disclosure Project aroused a lot of interest. A number of papers took it quite seriously. There was a press conference yesterday in Washington asking the government to release information. Every time there is a request the public enters the dialogue. I don’t think the government is the key here. I think it’s a myth that the government is covering up all that much of any real value. They may be covering up their own coverup. That’s not to say there are no secrets. But I don’t get the sense that they are truly interested in abduction. They’ve never been interested in what I’ve done. There was a mini-series called Intruders in ’92. Intelligence goons tried to shut him up after three cases. I’ve seen hundreds and NOBODY has directly contacted me.

SCIFIMOD: I’d like to ask a question that isn’t about alien abduction. When the young man from California John Walker Lindh was arrested in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban I was reminded somehow of T.E. Lawrence. How do you think Lawrence would view the current tensions between Islam and the West?

John Mack: He would be appalled at the division and hostility. He tried to bring Jews and Arabs togther. It goes against everything he valued. His spirit must be in great pain.

aillann: Do most of your experiences see UFO’s? From your book it didn’t sound like your interviewees [did].

John Mack: Oh sure. Maybe half have seen UFOs at one time or another. Often it’s just lights in the sky. But many of them do see discrete craft at one time or another. I was once at a MUFON meeting and it was striking to me that the people who reported the most sightings were also the people who had known encounters. So they do go together.

ZO: Do you think it is possible that human beings genetically engineered and cloned the “aliens” in a technological age thousands of years ago?

John Mack: I have no idea. The whole genetic question is confusing. It’s clear that eggs and sperm are taken. The assumption is that its for genetic manipulation. But there are no studies to show that our genes have actually been altered. That the genes of abductees or their children have been changed. The more you investigate all this. The more you must insist on scientific evidence. But when you approach all this through science it becomes evasive. That may be the wrong methodology. That’s why I’ve looked at the profound experience that stands in its own light. Whether the alines are concrete or spirit beings that appear in our space. If there are hundreds of thousands of encounters why don’t we see more actual objects. I tend to downplay the literal experience for the mystical.

UMichPsychonaut: What do you think of Jung’s ideas on the collective unconscious and its relevance to ET?

John Mack: If you mean by the collective unconscious that we are all having the same idea at more or less the same time, I don’t think so. If you mean there is a resonance between our inner lives and outside physical world perhaps. “As above so below”. But that doesn’t discount physical reality.

SCIFIMOD: Skeptics seem to view alien abduction reports either as hoax or delusion, lumping them at times with visions of the Virgin Mary, angel sightings, etc. Despite the trauma often associated with abduction experiences are they in any way a form of religious ecstasy?

John Mack: Some intelligences are embodied, like some of the beings and some are not. There can be beings throughout the cosmos that range from dense beings like us to formless bodies and in-between states.

SCIFIMOD: Last Question.

choocha: Do the ETs have any sense of comradery with us — such as being “brothers” or do they look at us more as specimens, from what you can see?

John Mack: That’s very much in the eye of the beholder. Some people are frightened and see them as cold and indifferent. Others feel a strong sense of bonding and love. Some even claim mates on the other side.And sometimes the same person starts out as angry and frightened and screaming and over time they form powerful bonds in later encounters but I’m involved too as the observer. It’s an ongoing phenomenon. The composer and the musician are co-creative.

John Mack: I want to tell you all about a film called TOUCHED. It’s a one hour documentary made here and in Brazil looking at the abduction phenomenon. The producers are Blind Dog Films and Laurel Chiten. The website is www.blindogfilms.com. It’ll be showing in Boston in February. I bring this up because of the timing and all the attention SCIFI is bring to the phenomenon. Laurel can use everybody support in preparing for releasing the film next year. We all need to work at legitimizing the whole subject. And a movie like hers will have a broader chance to be seen if we open the field further.

John Mack: I want to thank you all for coming. Good night.

SCIFIMOD: We’ll open the floor now.

SCIFIMOD: Thanks everybody.

Following is the actual presentation of the chat as it appeared live, including extra line breaks and typographical errors typical of live chats. The letters “GA” mean “Go ahead”.

*SCIFIMOD*: Hi everyone, thanks for joining us here. I’m Ben Trumble for SCIFI. Tonight we’re pleased to welcome Dr.John E. Mack. Dr. John Mack is a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and a leading authority on the transformative and spiritual aspects of alien encounters.

*SCIFIMOD*: Dr. Mack is the author of Passport to the Cosmos: Human Transformation and Alien Encounters, the 1994 bestseller Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens, and a Pulitzer prizing winning biography of the Briitish adventurer and soldier T. E. Lawrence.

*SCIFIMOD*: Brief word about the drill. This is a moderated chat — please send your questions for our guest to SCIFIMOD, as private messages. (To send a private message, either double-click on SCIFIMOD or type “/msg SCIFIMOD” on the command line – only without the quotes.)…Then hit Enter (or Return on a Mac.)

*SCIFIMOD*: Do you have an opinion on where aliens come from?

*John Mack*: The first task in addressing that question is moving away from literal thinking

*JohnMack*: This star or that star

*John Mack*: They may come from another dimension

*John Mack*: One shaman asked them where they’re from

*John Mack*: and they answered Nowhere and Everywhere

*JohnMack*: They might come from a star system

*John Mack*: Who knows

*SCIFIMOD*: m6scott to SCIFIMOD: Are abductions getting more frequent now or have they slowed down?

*John Mack*: It’s hard for meto answer

*John Mack*: I have only my own cases and those I know about

*John Mack*: I have a general impression the famous types of aductions of the late 90’s are happening less frequently

*John Mack*: It’s more subtle

*John Mack*: Beings that reach people

*John Mack*: Balls of light

*John Mack*: etc

*John Mack*: It may be a mistake to use the term abduction rather than encounter for many such contacts

*John Mack*: Abduction is what humans do to each other

*John Mack*: But all sorts of encounters don’t literally involve physical movement that we know of

*John Mack*: GA

*SCIFIMOD*: any change in the way people are telling you about thier abductions than say 10 years ago?

*John Mack*: That’s a very interesting question

*John Mack*: Many people who talk to me are already pretty far along in their knowledge

*John Mack*: They know what’s happened to them and they are very weell informed

*John Mack*: They’re trying to understand how to discuss it with family

*John Mack*: How long it’s been going on etc

*John Mack*: They are less likely to come in overwhelmed by the strangness of it

*John Mack*: One of the difficulties is a self selection

*John Mack*: It’s a field now where abductees seem to seek out researchers who refelect their feelings about the experience

*John Mack*: So I may have of different expereinces than som,eone else would

*John Mack*: I don’t know that they actually think in those terms

*John Mack*: Hopkins looks at the experience this way

*John Mack*: Mack looks at it that way

*John Mack*: Barbara Lamb says this

*John Mack*: But my sense is that the initial trauma seems less now

*John Mack*: GA

*SCIFIMOD*: deadgirl to SCIFIMOD: how many people if any do you think have encounters but dismiss them because of their own disbelief

*JohnMack*: I would guess many

*John Mack*: I see people who I may have been talking with for months

*John Mack*: who suddenly remember and encounter from years and years ago

*John Mack*: and they dismissed it

*John Mack*: It’s when they have a later experience as a reference point that they begin to make the connection

*John Mack*: Childhood experiences can be dismissed as dreams etc

*John Mack*: GA

*SCIFIMOD*: choocha to SCIFIMOD: how are your relations with the harvard faculty after your “difficulties” surrounding your first book

*John Mack*: I would say pretty good

*John Mack*: I’m not retired but I’m past retirement age

*John Mack*: And as I often say a Harvard Prof can only make a fool of himself once

*John Mack*: and I’m past that

*John Mack*: I’ve become more sophisticated in how I frame my arguments

*John Mack*: Also I believe that a shift has occured in the culture

*John Mack*: in the world view

*John Mack*: That phenomenon like this are not as marginalized as they were

*John Mack*: The Speilberg miniseries coming up TAKEN couldn’t have happned ten years ago

*John Mack*: There’s a greater awareness now

*JohnMack*: We don’t dismiss out of hand as quickly as we did

*SCIFIMOD*: ZO to SCIFIMOD: Have you ever wondered if this implant technology is used to see through our eyes, hear through our ears, and to basically view everything that we do?

*John Mack*: I never really thought about that

*John Mack*: The only thing that made much sense is the idea of tagging people to monitor them

*John Mack*: The implant subject is one of the puzzling aspects of abduction that never quite satisfies hard science investigation

*John Mack*: It always remains a bit out of reach

*John Mack*: My sense is that we’re never going to pin all this down in 3 dimensional reality with the usual tools of science

*John Mack*: I read an article about near death experience

*John Mack*: The writer made the point that they only people trying to explain near death experience are researchers

*John Mack*: The people who experience them don’t need explaination

*John Mack*: They know how profound it was

*JohnMack*: The same may be true for encounter experience

*John Mack*: It is what it is

*John Mack*: If we don’t try to reduce it to our language we might appreciate and understand more than we realize

*John Mack*: Maybe we know a lot when we just appreciate the interdimensional possibilities

*SCIFIMOD*: Is the present alien abduction experience universal and worldwide? With a bit of digging can you find abductees as easily say in the Guatemalan Highlands as you can in New England?

*John Mack*: I don’t think it’s been studied enough to answer that

*John Mack*: What I know is that we’ve seen cases in South America

*Joh nMack*: Australia

*John Mack*: Turkey

*John Mack*: Africa

*John Mack*: The cases seem to show up where people look for them

*John Mack*: The core expereince seem similar whether in Africa, or Brazil, or New York

*John Mack*: But how it’s interpreted varies between cultures

*John Mack*: There are a whole pantheon of “aliens” and demons and other creatures in shamanistic cultures

*SCIFIMOD*: choocha to SCIFIMOD: Do you feel movements such as the disclosure project or coalition for the freedom of information will soon make any headway getting the public informed of certain realities ——– without the major media ignoring or discrediting the “nonsense” subject of ET reality

*John Mack*: It’s already happening

*John Mack*: The Disclosure Project aroused a lot of interest

*John Mack*: A number of papers took it quite seriously

*John Mack*: There was a press conference yesterday in Washington asking the government to release information

*John Mack*: Everytime thjere is a request the public enters the dialogue

*John Mack*: I don’t think the government is the key here

*John Mack*: I think it’s a myth that the government is covering up all that much of any real value

*JohnMack*: They may be covering up their own coverup

*John Mack*: That’s not to say there are no secrets

*John Mack*: But I don’t get the sense that they are truly interested in abduction

*John Mack*: They’ve never been interestyed in what I’ve done

*John Mack*: There was a mini-series called Intruders in ’92

*John Mack*: Intelligence goons tried to shut him up after three cases

*John Mack*: I’ve seen hundreds and NOBODY has directly contacted me

*SCIFIMOD*: I’d like to ask a question that isn’t about alien abduction. When the young man from California John Walker Lindh was arrested in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban I was reminded somehow of T.E. Lawrence. How do you think Lawrence would view the current tensions between Islam and the West

*John Mack*: He would be appalled at the division and hostility

*John Mack*: He tried to bring Jews and Arabs togther

*John Mack*: It goes against everything he valued

*John Mack*: His spirit must be in great pain

*SCIFIMOD*: aillann to SCIFIMOD: Do most of your experiences see UFO’s? From your book it didn’t sound like your interviewes

*John Mack*: Oh sure

*John Mack*: Maybe half have seen UFOs at one time or another

*John Mack*: Often it’s just lights in the sky

*John ack*: But many of them do see discreet craft at one time or another

*John Mack*: I was once at a MUFON meeting and it was striking to me that the people who reported the most sightings were also the people who had known encounters

*John Mack*: So they do go together

*SCIFIMOD*: ZO to SCIFIMOD: Do you think it is possible that Human beings genetically engineered, and cloned the “aliens” in technological age thousands of years ago?

*John Mack*: I have no idea

*John Mack*: The whole genetic question is confusing

*John Mack*: It’s clear that eggs and sperm are taken

*John Mack*: The assumption is that its for genetic manipulation

*John Mack*: But there are no studies to show that our genes have actually been altered

*John Mack*: That the genes of abductees or their children have been changed

*John Mack*: The more you investigate all this

*John Mack*: The more you must insist on scientific evidence

*John Mack*: But when you opproach all this through science it becomes evasive

*John Mack*: That may be the wrong methodology

*John Mack*: That’s why I’ve looked at the profound experience that stands in its own light

*John Mack*: Whether the alines are concrete or spirit beings that appear in our space

*John Mack*: If there are 100’s of thousands of encounters why don’t we see more actual objects

*John Mack*: I tend to downplay the literal experience for the mystical

*SCIFIMOD*: UMichPsychonaut to SCIFIMOD: what do you think of Jungs ideas on the collective unconsious and its relecence to ET

*John Mack*: If you mean by the collective unconsious that we are all having the same idea at more or less the same time, I don’t think so

*John Mack*: If you mean there is a resonance between our inner lives and outside physical world perhaps

*John Mack*: As above so below

*John Mack*: But that doesn’t discount physical reality

*SCIFIMOD*: Skeptics seem to view alien abduction reports either as hoax or delusion, lumping them at times with visions of the Virgin Mary, angel sightings, etc. Despite the trauma often associated with abduction experiences are they in any way a form of religious ecstasy?

*John Mack*: Some intelligences are embodied, like some of the beings

*John Mack*: And some are not

*John Mack*: There can be beings throughout the cosmos that range from dense beings like us to formless bodies and in beteween states

*SCIFIMOD*: Last Question

*SCIFIMOD*: choocha to SCIFIMOD: Do the ETs have any sense of comradery with us —such as being “brothers” or do they look at us more as specimens, from what you can see

*John Mack*: That’s very much in the eye of the beholder

*John Mack*: Some people are frightened and see them as cold and indifferent

*John Mack*: Others feel a strong sense of bonding and love

*John Mack*: Some even claim mates on the other side

*John Mack*: And sometimes the same person starts out as angry and frightened and screaming

*John Mack*: And over time they form powerful bonds in later encounters

*John Mack*: But I’m involved too as the observer

*John Mack*: It’s an ongoing phenomenon

*John Mack*: The composer and the musician are co-creative.

*John Mack*: I want to tell you all about a film called TOUCHED

*John Mack*: It’s a one hour documentary made here and in Brzil looking at the abduction phenomenon.

*John Mack*: The producers are Blind Dog Films and Laurel Chitin

*John Mack*: The website is www.blindogfilms.com

*John Mack*: It’ll be showing in Boston in February

*John Mack*: I bring this up because of the timing and all the attention SCIFI is bring to the phenomenon

*Joh nMack*: Laurel can use everybody support in preparing for releasing the film next year

*John Mack*: We all need to work at legitmizing the whole subject

*John Mack*: And a movie like hers will have a broader chance to be seen if we open the filed further

*John Mack*: I want to thank you all for coming

*John Mack*: Good night

*SCIFIMOD*: We’ll open the floor now

*SCIFIMOD*: Thanks everybody


Livechat mit Dr. John Mack auf SciFi.com

Im Jahre 2002 organisierte der SciFi-Channel während der Promotion für die von Steven Spielberg produzierte Miniserie “Taken” auf seiner Webseite einen Livechat mit Dr. Mack.

SCIFIMOD: Hallo allerseits, danke, dass Sie heute hier sind. Ich bin Ben Trumble von SCIFI. Heute Abend freuen wir uns, Dr. John E. Mack begrüßen zu dürfen. Dr. John Mack ist Professor für Psychiatrie an der Harvard Medical School und eine führende Autorität in Bezug auf die verändernden und spirituellen Aspekte von außerirdischen Begegnungen.

SCIFIMOD: Dr. Mack ist der Autor von Passport to the Cosmos: Human Transformation and Alien Encounters, seinem 1994 veröffentlichten Bestseller Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens und einer mit dem Pulitzer-Preis ausgezeichneten Biografie des britischen Abenteurers und Soldaten T.E. Lawrence.

SCIFIMOD: Ganz kurz zum Ablauf. Dies ist ein moderierter Chat – bitte senden Sie Ihre Fragen für unseren Gast als private Nachrichten an SCIFIMOD. (Um eine private Nachricht zu senden, doppelklicken Sie entweder auf SCIFIMOD oder geben Sie in der Befehlszeile „/ msg SCIFIMOD“ ein – nur ohne Anführungszeichen.)… Drücken Sie dann die Eingabetaste.

SCIFIMOD: Haben Sie eine Meinung darüber, woher Aliens kommen?

John Mack: Die erste Aufgabe bei der Beantwortung dieser Frage ist die Abkehr vom wörtlichen Denken

John Mack: Dieser oder jener Stern

John Mack: Sie könnten aus einer anderen Dimension stammen

John Mack: Ein Schamane fragte sie, woher sie kommen

John Mack: und sie antworteten Nirgendwo und überall

John Mack: Sie könnten aus einem Sternensystem stammen

John Mack: Wer weiß

m6scott: Werden Entführungen jetzt häufiger oder haben sie sich verringert?

John Mack: Es ist schwer dafür eine generelle Antwort zu finden.

John Mack: Ich habe nur meine eigenen Fälle und die, die ich kenne

John Mack: Ich habe den allgemeinen Eindruck, dass die berühmten Arten von Entführungen der späten 90er Jahre seltener geworden sind

John Mack: Es ist subtiler

John Mack: Wesen, die mit Menschen in Kontakt treten

John Mack: Lichtkugeln

John Mack: etc.

John Mack: Es ist möglicherweise ein Fehler, für viele solcher Kontakte den Begriff „Entführung“ anstelle dem Begriff „Begegnung“ zu verwenden

John Mack: „Entführung“ ist das, was Menschen einander antun

John Mack: Soweit wir wissen, beinhalten nicht alle Arten von Begegnungen körperliche Aspekte

JohnMack: GA (go ahead = Fahren Sie fort)

SCIFIMOD: Hat sich die Art und Weise, wie die Leuten Ihnen von ihren Entführungen erzählen, in den letzten 10 Jahren verändert?

John Mack: Das ist eine sehr interessante Frage

John Mack: Viele Leute, die mit mir sprechen, sind in ihrem Wissen schon ziemlich weit fortgeschritten

John Mack: Sie wissen, was mit ihnen passiert ist und sie sind sehr gut informiert

John Mack: Sie versuchen zu verstehen, wie man es in der Familie ansprechen kann

John Mack: Wie lange geht es schon, usw.

John Mack: Es ist weniger wahrscheinlich, dass sie von seiner Seltsamkeit überwältigt werden

John Mack:Eine der Schwierigkeiten ist eine Selbstauswahl

John Mack: Es ist jetzt ein Umfeld, in dem die Abductees anscheinend nach Forschern suchen, die ihre Gefühle über die Erfahrung widerspiegeln

John Mack: Also sammle ich ganz andere Erfahrungen als jemand anderes

John Mack: Ich weiß nicht, ob sie tatsächlich so denken

John Mack: Hopkins betrachtet die Erfahrung so

John Mack: Mack sieht das so

John Mack: Barbara Lamb sagt das

John Mack: Aber ich habe das Gefühl, dass das anfängliche Trauma jetzt weniger zu sein scheint

John Mack: GA

Deadgirl: Wie viele Menschen haben Ihrer Meinung nach Begegnungen, verdrängen es jedoch aufgrund ihrer eigenen Zweifel

John Mack: Ich muss raten und denke es sind viele

John Mack: Ich treffe Leute, mit denen ich über die letzten Monate hinweg gesprochen habe

John Mack: die sich plötzlich an eine Begegnung von vor vielen Jahren erinnern

John Mack: und sie haben es verdrängt

John Mack: Erst wenn sie eine spätere Erfahrung als Orientierungspunkt haben, beginnen sie, die Verbindung herzustellen

John Mack: Kindheitserfahrungen können als Träume usw. abgetan werden

John Mack: GA

Choocha:
Wie sind Ihre Beziehungen zur Harvard-Fakultät nach Ihren „Schwierigkeiten“ im Zusammenhang mit Ihrem ersten Buch?

John Mack: Ich behaupte, ziemlich gut

John Mack: Ich bin nicht im Ruhestand obwohl ich über das Rentenalter hinaus bin

John Mack: Und wie ich oft sage, kann sich ein Harvard-Professor nur einmal lächerlich machen

John Mack: das habe ich hinter mir

John Mack: Ich bin in der Art und Weise, wie ich meine Argumente formuliere, geschickter geworden

John Mack: Ich glaube auch, dass eine Veränderung in der Kultur stattgefunden hat

John Mack: in der Weltanschauung

John Mack: Das dieses Phänomen nicht mehr so grenzwertig ist wie früher.

John Mack: Die Spielberg-Miniserie TAKEN hätte vor zehn Jahren nicht ausgestrahlt werden können

John Mack: Es gibt jetzt ein größeres Bewusstsein

John Mack: Wir können es nicht mehr so schnell von der Hand weisen

ZO: Haben Sie sich jemals gefragt, ob diese Implantat-Technologie verwendet wird, um durch unsere Augen zu sehen, durch unsere Ohren zu hören und im Grunde alles zu sehen, was wir tun?

John Mack: Daran habe ich nie wirklich geglaubt

John Mack: Das einzige, was viel Sinn machte, war die Idee Leute zu markieren, um sie zu überwachen

John Mack: Das Implantat-Thema ist einer der rätselhaften Aspekte der Entführungen, die eine handfeste wissenschaftliche Untersuchung nie ganz zufrieden stellt

John Mack: Es bleibt immer ein bisschen ungreifbar.

John Mack: Meiner Meinung nach werden wir das alles niemals in der dreidimensionalen Realität mit den üblichen Werkzeugen der Wissenschaft erfassen

John Mack: Ich habe einen Artikel über Nahtoderfahrungen gelesen

John Mack: Der Autor traf die Aussage, dass nur Forscher versuchen, Nahtoderfahrungen zu erklären.

John Mack: Die Menschen, die sie erleben, brauchen keine Erklärung

John Mack: Sie wissen, wie tiefgreifend es war

John Mack: Gleiches gilt möglicherweise für die Erfahrungen aus Begegnungen

John Mack: Es ist was es ist

John Mack: Wenn wir nicht so sehr versuchen, es auf unsere Sprache zu reduzieren, werden wir vielleicht mehr wahrnehmen und verstehen als uns im Moment bewusst ist.

John Mack: Vielleicht wissen wir viel mehr, wenn wir einfach die interdimensionalen Möglichkeiten verstehen

SCIFIMOD: Ist die gegenwärtige Erfahrung der Entführung durch Außerirdische überall gleich und kommt global vor? Kann man mit ein bisschen Nachforschung genauso leicht Entführte finden, sagen wir im guatemaltekischen Hochland wie in Neuengland?

John Mack: Ich glaube nicht, dass es ausreichend untersucht wurde, um darauf zu antworten

John Mack: Ich weiß, dass wir Fälle in Südamerika haben

John Mack: Australien

John Mack: Türkei

John Mack: Afrika

John Mack: Die Fälle findet man dort, wo danach gesucht wird

John Mack: Die Kernerfahrung scheint ähnlich zu sein, ob in Afrika, Brasilien oder New York

John Mack: Aber wie es interpretiert wird, variiert zwischen den Kulturen

John Mack: In schamanistischen Kulturen gibt es ein ganzes Pantheon von “Aliens” und Dämonen und anderen Kreaturen

choocha: Glauben Sie, dass Bewegungen wie das Disclosure Project oder die Vereinigung für Informationsfreiheit bald Fortschritte machen werden, um die Öffentlichkeit über bestimmte Realitäten zu informieren – ohne dass die großen Medien das “unsinnige” Thema der ET-Realität ignorieren oder diskreditieren?

John Mack: Es passiert bereits

John Mack: Das Disclosure Project hat großes Interesse geweckt

John Mack: Eine Reihe von Zeitungen hat das sehr ernst genommen

John Mack: Gestern gab es in Washington eine Pressekonferenz, bei der die Regierung gebeten wurde, Informationen zu veröffentlichen

John Mack: Jedes Mal, wenn eine Anfrage vorliegt, tritt die Öffentlichkeit in den Dialog ein

John Mack: Ich denke nicht, dass die Regierung hier der Schlüssel ist

John Mack: Ich denke, es ist ein Mythos, dass die Regierung so viel von wirklichem Wert vertuscht

John Mack: Sie vertuschen möglicherweise ihre eigene Vertuschung

John Mack: Das heißt nicht, dass es keine Geheimnisse gibt

John Mack: Aber ich habe nicht das Gefühl, dass sie wirklich an Entführungen interessiert sind

John Mack: Sie haben sich nie für das interessiert, was ich getan habe

John Mack: 1992 gab es eine Miniserie namens Intruders

John Mack: Geheimdienstler haben versucht, ihn nach drei Fällen zum Schweigen zu bringen

John Mack: Ich habe Hunderte bearbeitet und NIEMAND hat mich direkt kontaktiert

SCIFIMOD: Ich möchte eine Frage stellen, bei der es nicht um die Entführung von Außerirdischen geht. Als der junge Mann aus Kalifornien, John Walker Lindh, in Afghanistan verhaftet wurde und für die Taliban kämpfte, wurde ich irgendwie an T.E. Lawrence erinnert. Wie würde Lawrence die gegenwärtigen Spannungen zwischen dem Islam und dem Westen sehen?

John Mack: Er wäre entsetzt über die Teilung und Feindseligkeit

John Mack: Er hat versucht, Juden und Araber zusammenzubringen

John Mack: Es widerspricht allem, was er schätzte

John Mack: Sein Geist muss große Schmerzen haben

aillann: Sehen die meisten Ihrer Abductees UFOs? In Ihrem Buch hörte es sich bei den Befragten nicht so an.

John Mack: Oh sicher

John Mack: Vielleicht hat die Hälfte schon einmal UFOs gesehen

John Mack: Oft sind es nur Lichter am Himmel

John Mack: Aber viele von ihnen sehen früher oder später ein unbekanntes Flugobjekt

John Mack: Ich war einmal bei einem MUFON-Treffen und es fiel mir auf, dass die Leute, die die meisten Sichtungen meldeten, auch die Leute waren, die Begegnungen hatten

John Mack: Also gehört es zusammen

ZO: Halten Sie es für möglich, dass “Aliens” in einem technologischen Zeitalter vor Tausenden von Jahren menschliche Wesen genetisch erschufen und klonten?

John Mack: Ich habe keine Ahnung

John Mack: Die ganze genetische Frage ist verwirrend

John Mack: Es ist klar, dass Eizellen und Sperma entnommen werden

John Mack: Die Annahme ist, dass es für die genetische Manipulation ist

John Mack: Es gibt jedoch keine Studien, die belegen, dass unsere Gene tatsächlich verändert wurden

John Mack: Dass die Gene von Abductees oder ihren Kindern verändert wurden

John Mack: Je mehr man das alles untersucht

John Mack: desto mehr muss man auf wissenschaftliche Beweise bestehen

John Mack: Aber wenn man sich all dem durch die Wissenschaft nähert, lässt es sich schwer erfassen

John Mack: Das könnte die falsche Methodik sein

John Mack: Deshalb habe ich die tiefgreifende Erfahrung betrachtet, die in ihrem eigenen Licht steht

John Mack: Ob die Aliens physische oder geistige Wesen sind, die in unserer Welt erscheinen

John Mack: Wenn es Hunderttausende von Begegnungen gibt, warum sehen wir dann nicht mehr solcher Objekte

John Mack: Ich neige dazu, die wortwörtliche Erfahrung geringer einzuschätzen als die mystische

UMichPsychonaut:
Was halten Sie von Jungs Ideen über das kollektive Unbewusste und seine Relevanz für ET?

John Mack: Wenn Sie mit dem kollektiven Unbewussten meinen, dass wir alle mehr oder weniger die gleiche Idee zur gleichen Zeit haben, dann denke ich das nicht

John Mack: Wenn Sie meinen, dass es eine Resonanz zwischen unserem Innenleben und der äußeren physischen Welt gibt, vielleicht

John Mack: Wie oben, so unten

John Mack: Aber das widerlegt die physische Realität nicht

SCIFIMOD: Skeptiker scheinen Berichte über Entführungen durch Außerirdische entweder als Schwindel oder Wahnvorstellung zu betrachten und werfen sie manchmal mit Visionen der Jungfrau Maria, Engelssichtungen usw. in einen Topf. Trotz des Traumas, das oft mit Entführungserfahrungen verbunden ist, sind sie in irgendeiner Weise eine Form von religiöser Ekstase?

John Mack: Einige Intelligenzen sind verkörpert, so wie einige der Wesen

John Mack: Und manche nicht

John Mack: Im Kosmos könnte es Wesen geben, die von dichten Wesen, wie wir es sind, bis hin zu formlosen Körpern und Zwischenzuständen reichen.

John Mack: Letzte Frage

John Mack: Fühlen sich die Ets mit uns Verbunden, so als wären wir “Brüder” oder sehen sie uns eher als Versuchskaninchen an, von dem was Sie beurteilen können?

John Mack: Das liegt sehr im Auge des Betrachters

John Mack: Manche Menschen haben Angst und sehen sie als kalt und gleichgültig an

John Mack: Andere fühlen ein starkes Gefühl der Verbundenheit und Liebe

John Mack: Einige behaupten sogar, Freunde in der anderen Welt zu haben

John Mack: Und manchmal ist dieselbe Person zunächst wütend, verängstigt und schreit

John Mack: und im Laufe der Zeit formen in späteren Begegnungen starke Bindungen

John Mack: Aber ich bin als Beobachter auch darin involviert
John Mack: Es ist ein andauerndes Phänomen

John Mack: Der Komponist und der Musiker sind gemeinsame Mitgestalter

John Mack: Ich möchte Ihnen alles über einen Film namens TOUCHED erzählen

John Mack: Es ist eine einstündige Dokumentation, die hier und in Brasilien gedreht wurde und sich mit dem Phänomen der Entführung befasst.

John Mack: Die Produzenten sind Blind Dog Films und Laurel Chitin

John Mack: Die Website ist www.blindogfilms.com

John Mack: Der Film wird im Februar in Boston gezeigt

John Mack: Ich spreche dies wegen des Zeitpunktes und der ganzen Aufmerksamkeit an, die SCIFI dem Phänomen widmet

John Mack: Laurel kann jede Unterstützung gebrauchen, um sich auf die Veröffentlichung des Films im nächsten Jahr vorzubereiten

John Mack: Wir alle müssen daran arbeiten, das ganze Thema zu etablieren

John Mack: Und ein Film wie der ihre hat eine größere Chance, gesehen zu werden, wenn wir das Feld weiter öffnen

John Mack: Ich möchte Ihnen allen für Ihr Kommen danken

John Mack: Gute Nacht

SCIFIMOD: Wir werden jetzt den Chat wieder frei geben

SCIFIMOD: Danke an alle

German translation by Igura

Interviews

May 12, 2023 Rice University Karin Austin is the new executive director of the John E Mack Institute (JEMI). In this presentation she details the donation of John Mack’s archives to Rice University’s Archives of the Impossible, curated by Jeffrey J. Kripal, Ph.D. I’d like to begin today with my deepest and my most sincere […]

February 2023 — JEMI is proud to premiere a new paper by Tiffany Vance-Huffman of Naropa University: “Shamanic Initiations, Alien Abduction Phenomena, and the Return of the Archetypal Feminine: An Experiential Distillation”. “The purpose of this paper,” Vance-Huffman writes, “is to change the way people think about anomalous experiences and illnesses of the body-mind by examining […]

January 19, 2023 — Dave Schrader of The Darkness Radio interviews Ariel Phenomenon producer Randall Nickerson. If you haven’t yet seen the documentary, play the first 2 minutes of this podcast to hear a sensational collage of excerpts. Listen to Darkness Radio interview with Randall Nickerson (30m, mp3) Ariel Phenomenon is available from many digital retailers. Buying from ArielPhenomenon.com benefits the film […]

November 1, 2022 — Rizwan Virk, founder of Play Labs @ MIT, writes “It wouldn’t be the first time officials put the issue to rest without a full, open-minded investigation” in this essential editorial on NBC News’ THINK website. Christopher Mellon calls it “One of the most balanced and thoughtful recent articles regarding the UAP […]

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